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Bamboozle the Text and people like it and Laugh

PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:54 pm
by Chette
a famous preacher initials G E, recently had a broadcast and it was amazing how he bamboozled everyone to think what he taught was Bible truth.  I do wish that people would understand Greek and Hebrew are not Bible.

He quoted the John 16 and explained that Jesus was saying to them that they no longer ask the father but could use his name to ask for things.  then he went to good lengths to establish that God's name is YHWH (Greek), not the anglicized JHVH or the replacement LORD and that when Jesus said they could ask things in his name he was saying his name, if we went back to the orthodox Jew's pronunciation, was YHWH or Yeshua and that YHWH was pronounced Yeshua and that this coupled with some other verses proved he was God incarnate.

This was one of the most conflated stretch of God's word that I have ever heard from a man of God to prove his opinion of the YHWH/JHVH Yeshua was the real name of Jesus, and that proved he was God.

The scriptures are clear, even without the name Jesus, that he is God John 1:1-3, 14.

He had them laughing, giggliing and agreeing with something they were bamboozled over with a nice twisting of scriptures.  

I am not saying the doctrine of the Divinity of Christ was wrong.  But the whole name in Greek and Hebrew and English to prove it was wrong.

My Bible says Jesus, therefore it is Jesus name I ask in and not JHVH or YHWH, even though it is God to whom I am speaking.  for what so ever I ask in His name the father will answer.

When even clear teaching is twisted around to entertain and to get a laugh isn't it nothing more than tickling ears?

People need to know their Bibles better and they need to believe that there is a preserved Bible in English today in our generation as promised.  And then stay with that English version for their teaching.  Going to supposed original Greek and Hebrew, of which none of them know fluently, does nothing more than give them license with the word of God to change it.

BTW, everyone I know who has gone down the road and begins to use the term Yaweh for LORD or Yeshua for Jesus almost always end up in a cult group like the Lordship salvation of Ray Comfort or any number of the new Yeshua groups out there.  

I had one friend who went that direction.  first it was "The Way of the Master" series, then it was the Yaweh/Yeshua replacement claiming to be going back to the pure religion, then gets involved in the neo-israelite cult leading a local chapter.  Then his whole life fell apart, Wife left him and later divorced him, lost his job, and all his possessions.  Now he travels the country in a motor home all messed up spiritually, mentally and physically.  Still trying to get people to believe in his false doctrines of the YHWH/Yeshua cult.

It all starts with going back the the original languages and it is an easy trap to fall into.  beware and stick with the preserved word of God and you will remain where you need to be.  To be used of God.

Am I just being to hard, intellectual or nitpicking?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:27 pm
by Chette
The last few preaching at the local fellowship we attend has left me unhappy I am tired of eating baby food that is tainted with opinions, assumptions and suppositions that can't be proven by the word.  the last few sermons each preacher made some drastic suppositions, assumptions or opinions of the scriptures to which was in total error.   If you try and correct them they get upset and will say if you are not happy move along.  

The biggest problem is there is no where to go. Every fellowship we went to the preacher does these things.  they read books by others who teaching these opinions and suppositions and assumptions as the word of God.

One of the biggest errors is teaching that when you, as a Christian sin, it is of the devil.  While this may be true for some sin or temptation but it has been my experience that 9 times out of 10 that when a Christian sins, it is more often of his flesh and his lack of control over it by the Holy Ghost, not the devil or a devil.

I need solid word some meat with the milk, I sit and read my Bible to get it and that is by myself not in a fellowship (except my wife). I need a fellowship of believers where we are in agreement with the KJV and that every word in it is the pure word of God, and a place where God uses men to teach it according to His word and not their assumptions, suppositions and opinions or a least will admit that it is an assumption, supposition or an opinion when they present it.

Re: Comparing Today's Christian Teaching to the Teaching of

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:40 pm
by George
Aloha Brother Chette,

No, I don't believe that you are "being too hard, intellectual, or nitpicking". The truth is God has His "seven thousand" [1 Kings 19:18] scattered throughout the United States and the world. I personally know certain brethren in New York; Utah; Iowa; Oklahoma; Texas; the Philippines; Hawaii; and yourself in Virginia (and I am certain there are many more) who are in the 'same boat' that you and I are in (i.e. no place to go for genuine fellowship around the Lord and His Holy word).

What I want to know is: When preaching the word of God, WHY is it so difficult for most of today’s preachers to clearly distinguish between personal speculation, conjecture, and assumption and the PURE WORDS of God? When teaching the word of God, WHY is it so hard for today’s Bible teachers and commentators to stick to SOUND DOCTRINE and avoid all error and false doctrine? What’s the problem?

If a professed Bible believer truly believes: “For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.” [Psalms 33:4], WHY would they not seek to preach and teach God’s Holy word just as it is - without leavening it by inserting their own private interpretations [2 Peter 1:20] and opinions as if they were ‘the truth’?  

If a preacher or a Bible teacher genuinely has the highest regard for the Holy words of God [Job 23:12], why not clearly distinguish between their personal speculations, conjectures, assumptions, and private interpretations and the pure words of God when preaching or teaching God’s word [Psalms 119:172; Proverbs 22: 20-21]? It’s not that difficult to do – that is IF a person truly has a high regard and genuine love of the Holy words of God and is sincerely concerned about leavening them with their own opinions! If a professed Bible believer does offer a private interpretation (i.e. speculation or conjecture) while preaching or teaching God’s Holy word, why not plainly declare that it’s their opinion and distinguish between their opinion and the Holy words of God? WHY ‘mingle’ the two things together and cause confusion and/or error?

All too often, today’s pastors, teachers, and commentators fail to advocate reliance on God’s holy words. Instead they encourage Christians to look to men’s words (in books, tapes, videos, etc.) for the answers to spiritual matters and all of the issues of life. “Respect of persons” is both a sin and the curse of modern day Christianity [James 2:9; Proverbs 28:21]. A man (or woman) who highly regards men’s words can not (or will not) think highly of God’s words, and will have little or no regard for them!

I have never claimed to be an apostle or a prophet. And I have never claimed to be a Bible scholar or a ‘theologian’. I am a student of Scripture and a ready scribe, simply believing the words which are written and preserved in the Holy Bible, and doing my best to defend them, uphold them, and disclose them; as they are written, without additions, subtractions, or changes.

In regards to Satan (i.e. the devil) causing men to sin, I am in total agreement with you. Satan is not ‘Omniscient’ (i.e. All-Knowing - All-Seeing); and he is not ‘Omnipotent’ (i.e. All Powerful – with Unlimited Power); and he certainly is not ‘Omnipresent’ (i.e. Everywhere - Present in all places at the same time); after all he is not God!

Satan has ‘bigger fish to fry’ than ordinary Christians; and anyone thinking that Satan is causing them to sin thinks way too highly of themselves [Romans 12:3]. Basically Christians have three things that cause us to sin: the world, the flesh, and Satan; and, although Satan is the god of this world and very powerful, he is not omnipotent, or omniscient, or omnipresent. And, considering Satan’s limitations and the naturally corrupt condition of our heart, our mind, and our conscience, of the three things I mentioned you can be sure that the world and the flesh are the major things in our lives which influence us to sin (however we are without excuse: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” - Romans 3:23).

Those people who claim that ‘the devil made me do it’ are looking for a ‘scapegoat’ and an excuse for their sin. But attempting to palm off our personal sins on Satan, when “all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” [1 John 2:16] are generated by our own deceitful hearts, does not fool Almighty God, even if it fools those people who make that claim and all those gullible people who believe them.  

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Where is Satan in all of the verses cited above? The Lord Jesus Christ cited a bunch of sins in the verses; and then He unequivocally declared that “All these evil things come from within” – not from Satan! The fact is that all of mankind (and that includes all Christians) has a ‘heart problem’ [Jeremiah 17:9; Ecclesiastes 9:3], and to try to fob off our personal sins onto Satan is both deceitful and dishonest; and in the end it avoids taking personal responsibility for our conduct (Psychology).

Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

There is a Famine and men don't even know it

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:39 pm
by Chette
Basically what we are seeing is an abundance of teaching of men in a famine of God's word.

People don't even know that the famine exists but continue to eat the words of men believing they are the words of God.

I listened to a sermon from one who claims to be in agreement with Ruckman.  He read some scriptures then I heard lots of his own words that made no sense to the scriptures he quoted.  He then quoted more scriptures as he went along to prove his points but still had nothing to do with the Root scriptures he read before preaching.  I turned it off about 10 minutes into it.  Wasn't worth the effort to hear the rest.

Amos 8:11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

We are in a time where we have we eat meat and drink water but the words of God are not heard.

Even so come Lord Jesus.